The Fraud Files

Over the last few months we have been collating evidence from the internet and other outlets on paranormal and so called spiritual sites and forums to show exactly how they and the individuals who run broke the 1951 fraudulent Mediumship law when it was in force,with taht gon,goodness only knows how far they will push those boundaries even further. Also some Sceptical sites and forums have been targeted. Basically these types of sites are not only breaking the law but also are a dangerous element to society on an emotional and psychological level. In some cases they may not be fraudulent, but in ours and others opinions they certainly are harmful to others.
As you read this we have numerous undercover operatives who have infiltrated these sites and forums and over the next couple of weeks, one by one we will upload a complete report on the persons and groups we have targeted.

The reasoning behind the fraud files is this. Though the majority of spiritual groups, Individuals and sceptical organisations certainly are responsible and ethically run. Unfortunately there are a few individuals and groups who purposely and knowingly flaunt this law and go out of there way to psychologically and emotionally affect others regardless of the damage that they may cause without accepting responsibility for their actions or do not police their own sites and forums responsibly.

Diane Lazarus the psychic court adviser???

Every now and then we come across psychics and mediums who appear to be pushing the boundaries of honesty , good working practise and even moral behaviour. We can only go by what we read and discover for ourselves. We can put the information forward, what you make of it is, of course, up to you.

So, lets look at our latest “psychic medium” to come under the spotlight .

Diane Lazarus is 42 years of age and married to a solicitor. She has two children and has appeared on television , in magazines and in newspapers, ALMOST reaching celebrity status, which appears to be her aim. She is one of the top five psychics in the world. This is stated on her web-site and in many interviews. Everyone seems to be at a loss as to how she came by this information as she seems to be the only person who knows about it. But then she is psychic !
This is not about fraudulent mediumship although it is questionable whether this could be added to the list . This is about the possibility of false claims, questionable working practises and worrying links between her “psychic” work and the legal system. So, let us start piecing together (or rather taking apart) the world of this self proclaimed psychic medium.
Lets begin by outlining her work and her business interests. We will go into more detail about some of these subjects as the report continues. Some of the issues raised might not be legally questionable but let us ask ourselves if they are morally right, remembering at all times that this lady claims to work for spirit and in the spiritualist way.
Psychic Detective Agency - Yes, that’s right, a psychic detective agency. According to media sources, on the back of certain successes our psychic set up a business for people suspecting their partners of cheating. Using her psychic abilities and with the help of more conventional methods she sets out to put peoples minds at rest, or prove their worst fears right in regards to their relationships.
Aid to the Police - In many interviews our psychic as claimed to have worked with police forces all over the country in cases of murder and missing persons. She even goes as far as to claim she has helped “solve” many of these cases.
Advisory service to the Legal Profession - This covers many ways in which she claims to help with the conviction of criminals in this country.
Writer of Books and Producer of CD’s - Many of her books and CD’s are available to buy. They cover many subjects and no doubt help pay the bills with just a “little” to spare.

Private Readings - Despite her very hectic life she still finds time to give readings of all types. Tarot, mediumship (or maybe a mix of the two), by phone or face to face this lady does it all.
Psychic to the Celebrities - Among her “clients” it is claimed she has the rich and the famous. From her they get an insight into what the future holds and advice about relationships and work. She also claims to have business people queuing up for her service especially around the time of every new financial year. No doubt many will make their business plans around what she says.
Tutor - Our psychic runs training courses in all aspects of mediumship and work of a psychic nature.
Some of the areas mentioned speak for themselves but there are certainly a few that warrant looking at in more detail, so let’s do just that.
Aid to the Police - As previously mentioned one of the claims she makes is that she not only works with police forces investigating crimes of a violent nature or missing persons, but has been a big part in solving the cases. Among her successes , it is clamed, are the Jill Dando Murder, the case of Mark Green ( an art lecturer who was found murdered), the case of missing Sandhurst Cadet Blake Hartley and the investigation into the Joanne Young murder. Very helpfully she became involved in the Suffolk murder case giving officers information she “knew” would be relevant to the case and lead to the conviction of the killer. Most recently she has become involved in the case of Madeleine McCann, travelling to Portugal to offer her services.
It would appear at first sight that these are indeed positive uses of her abilities however let us delve a little deeper. First of all on researching these cases and comparing the information she offered with the actual outcome of the cases there seems to be very little, if any, similarity.
In the case of the tragic Suffolk murders she describes a lonely “hoodie” engaged in religious rituals. Not much of a similarity to the later convicted Steven Wright as 48 year old forklift driver. Despite much searching we have been unable to find any evidence of correct information given by this psychic in regards to this case.
In the case of Jill Dando and Diane Lazarus’s claims that she was involved in the subsequent arrest of the man responsible we would be interested to hear her response to the fact that the man convicted has since been found innocent and all charges dropped.
The case of Joanna Young remains unsolved despite our psychics claim to have helped the police in the case.
Very recently the psychic has made claims that a case of murder closed 50 years ago has been re-opened based on evidence she has given. Official sources tell us a different story, suggesting that in fact the case was re-opened as part of the Major Crime Review Unit set up to reinvestigate unsolved crimes using the latest DNA testing and other forensic techniques.
The list goes on and although no-one can get it right all of the time we would expect evidence that one of the “top five psychics in the world” has got it right at least some of the time. It is also a little confusing to find that the police forces she claims to have helped deny any dealings with her at all. Indeed in some cases they even deny any knowledge of her or of ever hearing her name. This is evidenced in letters gathered by various people in response to questions asked on this subject, sources that we have no reason to doubt. Of course the question must be asked “even if she was involved would the police admit it ? “ possibly not we must admit, however responses given do appear very firm and very clear. But let us take this issue and look at it in more detail. We all know the police would be unlikely to admit to the use of psychics in the investigation of such cases, in fact it is very likely they are told in no uncertain terms not to do so. This no doubt would be the argument used in defence of the lady in question. However, in some interviews she goes as far as to name police officers she has had involvement with and the crime in question. Even more surprising when the investigation has been ongoing. A case of you can’t have it both ways we feel. As an example, in an article from one of her local papers we read the following :-“Detective Constable for the ************ police force, DC Daly confirmed that Diane Lazarus has been helping with the case although no more details could be given as the case was ongoing”.
We could continue on this topic for many more pages however the content would be very much the same so we will continue to the next subject.
Advisory service to the Legal Profession - This is actually one of the issues that concerns me the most. I admit of course to being sceptical of psychic and mediumistic ability but even those who believe must admit the evidence this lady gives is far from correct in most cases. Taking that into account I would hope that most people would find the following information of concern. I would like to clarify at this point that what I am about to type is not allegation made by sceptical sites or in the media but is actual information available for all on the psychics web-site and in various media interviews given by herself.
Her claim is that she assists her husband in his court work and has liaised with him and Queens Counsel in a number of murder trials. In her own words :-“He (her husband) has taken me to murder scenes and had me describe in front of QC’s what happened in the murder case ”This I find worrying enough but it is the next part of the quote that particularly concerns me :-“I go to court with him quite often. When I see the person in the stand I’ll ask him to ask a certain question and it often opens a can of worms.”
So it appears her husbands questioning of witnesses and those accused is often determined to some extent on the word of a Psychic, who happens to be his wife. It was my understanding that during a trial of any nature it was only the legal teams that could have influence during a court case. If this lady is allowed therefore to intervene and suggest questions, would it not only be fair to allow members of the jury or even those in the public gallery to do so ? Surely unless Diane Lazarus is formally made a member of the defence or prosecution team (and has the relevant training and qualifications to do so) then at that point she is merely a “member of the public” and should have no influence what-so-ever on the case being tried;. How many of you would be happy being put in the stand knowing this to be the case, remembering of course her apparent lack of success in other areas of her work. Is the legal system now allowing this type of intervention ?
On a slightly different subject but added here due to it’s link with legal issues of a sort is the interesting appearance of a link to an interview with this psychic. This wouldn’t be unusual if it were not for the fact that the site the link is found on is actually a site about mortgages and the business and financial world around them at the current time. Amongst links to legal sites, business sites and property sites there is the sentence “ I am not blessed to have this gift” this is the link that leads you to the interview. Nothing in the interview relates to the subject of the web-site I hasten to add. Her husband is involved in the legalities around the buying and selling of houses, however it would be unfair of us to draw any conclusion from that at this time.
Writer of Books and Producer of CD’s - Everyone has a right to make a living and these days writing books and the such is a big part of the world of the psychic and medium. It is not for this specifically that I focus on this issue but more for the content of one particular CD she has produced.
To begin this section I would like you all to consider the subject of children and the use of psychic ability/ mediumship. From the vast number of mediums and psychics I have spoken to I have come to the conclusion that the majority ( if not all) are in agreement that children should be allowed to be children, that life is enough of a mystery at a young age without the added confusion of the weird world of psychic phenomenon and spirit communication. (I use “weird world” as in how most youngsters would see it). Children need to learn about life before they start trying to solve the mysteries of death surely. Even the spiritualist churches have deemed it inappropriate to involve people under a certain age to get involved in such subjects, making it clear that no-one under the age of 18 years can be given a message. Stating that messages concerning young people must be given to the adult accompanying them. There is even the suggestion that a ruling is to be passed preventing young children being allowed to attend open circles in Spiritualist churches. Some churches have already put this in place.
It appears however that our Spiritualist trained psychic/medium feels she knows better than anyone else. Her two children now aged 12 and 19 have, in her words “been displaying psychic abilities for years”. She even states “ My son **** already uses his ability” (Her son is the 12 year old).
She also claims that her daughter drew on spirit to help her pass her GCSE’s. I’m not sure in which way she means this but the less worrying meaning would be that spirit helped her to cope with the pressures of the exams. The other option of course is that spirit actually helped her during the exam which is a huge leap forward from our tricks of hiding notes in calculators or writing notes on our arms. But, joking aside is it really a good idea that youngsters are encouraged to use spirit in this way, shouldn’t young people learn their own ways of coping and use their own strengths ? Isn’t part of personal growth and development about finding your own courage and determination ?
Of course it is up to our psychic to decide what she does or doesn’t encourage her children to do. Whatever our feelings and opinions we have no real right to comment. However, she is also encouraging other parents to introduce their children to the world of the psychic medium, producing a CD called “It’s All In a Dream” designed to help children who have psychic abilities to recognise and use them.
There is also another CD I would like to mention. The description of it reads “A powerful CD..an effective way of helping you to fight any illness or disease by the power of the mind”. I know many healers and many people who believe in relaxation and other techniques to help people “cope” with illness and to make their lives a little more comfortable. The term to “fight” would suggest a winning of a battle against an illness and for many would give the impression and hope that through this they could be “healed” in the real sense of the word. I think most people would agree that this is undoubtedly a false hope.
Private Readings- Despite so many different ventures Diane Lazarus still does private reading for people. Here are just a few letters put on her site. You may notice some suggestion of confusion over the psychic/medium issue plus I would like to draw your attention to the predictions mentioned. I agree that psychics work under different rules to mediums in regard to predictions but I would imagine anyone with an ounce of personal responsibility would consider the possible implications of passing certain information on. I have included only excerpts from letters and have omitted the names, having said that on the site itself the names are only given in initials for the most part. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has had a reading off this lady.
Letters from Satisfied Customers
“Everything you said in those readings have since come true, even my mothers diagnosis and since recovery from bowel cancer”
From my experience both psychics and mediums stay away from predictions about health and certainly from diagnosing health problems. This is not because of them trying to get out of giving evidence. This is because the spiritualist religion and practice state the spirit world does not predict. And any medium claiming to be spiritualists are bound by self responsibility.

“I had lots of thoughts in my head. Dianepicked up on this. She made me understand that all these thoughts were spirit and spirit guides talking to me. I had psychic ability ! “
Spot the contradiction ! Spirit and Spirit Guides have nothing to do with psychic ability but with mediumship !

“It WAS a prediction, you said my grandfather was telling you I would be back acting in June”
Again this seems somewhat confusing. Psychics predict the future but in this case our psychic medium seems to be using mediumship and yet a precise prediction was given. As\far as we are aware, spiritualist mediums do NOT use spirit to predict future events in any way, shape or form.



“Diane told me I would come into money on the lottery and two weeks later I won £8,000”
It’s nice to see a happy ending, but lets consider the other scenario, where this is predicted and someone goes out and spends money week after week on the lottery based on such a prediction, only to find it was a prediction that didn’t come to fruition. It is up to the sitter how they act on evidence and information given of course but is it really morally right to encourage people to gamble based on psychic intuition ? Intuition which has been proven to not always be right . In fact, from speaking to many renowned psychics and mediums we have it on good authority that this sort of precise predication is very much frowned upon, and with good reason.
Finally in the more professionally based testimonial section of her web-site we find this letter, written by the Author R. B. Hinton. I can’t find anything on the internet about this person so I would be interested to hear from anyone who knows of him. In his letter he talks about a meeting he had with Diane Lazarus while he was researching a book about local murders. He states with some enthusiasm how she got many things correct. The letter goes on for some time singing the praises of Daine Lazarus and her ability, finishing off with the following :-“I would be quite willing to answer any questions you may have about this subject”
We would of course very much like to speak to Mr. Hinton and ask him to share with us the details of his meeting with Diane however as strange as it seems no contact details were given in any way shape or form.
Psychic to the Celebrities - There is not much I can say about this as although the plural is used there is only one celebrity mentioned on any site or in any interview relating to this psychic. That celebrity is Bonnie Tyler and we are currently trying to contact her to ask her for confirmation that she is indeed a client of the lady in question.
Tutor - It would not be right for us to comment on this particular psychics ability to teach however one particular course did catch our eye. Not for the quality of the teaching unfortunately but for the location and price. So, for those of you who might be interested…
You could be part of a 4 day course covering psychic development and mediumship.. interested ? You might reconsider when you find out it is to be held in Egypt (ok a very interesting place) but will cost you £500. In addition the £500 ONLY pays for the course. Accommodation and travel expenses will be yours to pay on top of this fee.

Over the next few months we will be continuing to look into this psychic medium and the claims she makes. We will also be asking many questions of the relevant authorities regarding her assistance in certain areas of the legal system. This article will be updated as and when new information comes to light and when information already gathered, but not mentioned, is clarified and researched further. In the meantime we would welcome any responses to this article giving your views on any aspect of what has been disclosed or information on other psychic/mediums you feel are acting in a similar way.


Recently we have contacted media both local to Daine Lazarus’s home town and on a national level. Putting our other concerns to one side the main focus of our concern was the issue over her involvement with the legal system and her court intervention in particular. Although we are still waiting to here from these media groups it now seems unlikely they will be taking the matter further. The reasons for this lack of interest have not been given and for that reason we must draw our own conclusions. To quote Mrs. Lazarus will it “open a can of worms”, and could it be that in some cases the fact Diane Lazarus actually writes columns for these newspapers is an issue ? We are currently not going to mention these newspapers in order to give them time and a fair chance to approach the subject, however when we are certain the matter is indeed going to be ignored the papers and media groups involved will be named. If any media groups are interested in this story and wish to discuss the issues with us please contact us at Esoteric Online Radio.
And Finally
We can only put the evidence forward as we see it. We can only express our views and opinions based on the evidence as we see it. We cannot accuse Diane Lazarus of anything illegal we can merely question the legalities and morality of what she is doing and put our concerns forward into the public domain. Your final decision about this lady and her working practises is of course down to your own personal choice.

Psychic detective encourages fraud on her forum

Please note all this took place prior to the change of the fraudulent mediumship act, now if you dont think this matters because the law has changed..just think about it, If she allows this when the law could be broken,what now will she allow wheen the laws are more lax?

Now before we begin this report no doubt many people out there will say "But it was others who have said this not her" Just think about it. This person is a regular visitor of her own forum, she has made the people giving fraudulent advice Senior members of that forum. Apart from the atrocities she herself has committed in her own development class with their students. Responsibility lays squarely on this "Psychic Detectives" shoulders!
The easiest and most understandable way of adding this report to this page is to simply transcript out takes from the forum itself (Of which we have saved copies of that entire page to our vaults) and to state as facts how they are indeed fraudulent.

A forum member asked a very genuine and important question."Does anyone know anything about this? I am concerned that if I give a reading to someone, but do not state that it is for entertainment purposes but I am not associated with a church or 'spiritualist' centre, that I am breaking the law.Answer from senior forum member"What law could you have broken???"

A second answer to the members question was kindly given. "You most certainly do NOT have to belong to a spiritualist church to give readings. Why should you ?

Third answer given to the member. "Your medium/psychic spirituality is a gift that isn't born of going to church. Church doesn't teach you - nor does anyone else, and what you are doing is learning to develop and hopefully give messages in a sympathetic and caring way. This I know you would do.
Our Answer- If you are giving a reading but not in the form of a spiritualist medium and acting within that religious role, you are breaking the 1951 fraudulent mediumship act, that is a fact! A tad worrying really isn't it that a senior member of a forum is asking what law has been broken!Not knowing the member who asked this question we cannot doubt there sincerity. And we are sure they are indeed giving a message in a sympathetic and caring way. But the member asked if they are breaking the law. the answer should have been. Yes!
And regarding being trained by the church, we are afraid that to act within a mediumship role you should be serving a spiritualist church, following its practice and in turn would have been trained by the church!

Another question was asked by another forum member. Remember these people are asking advice on a forum of people they trust, on the backing of this being a supposedly respected psychic detectives forum!
The Question "I never state it is for entertainment purposes - but I do state that people must be over 18 to have a reading.
The all knowledgeable responses from senior members of that forum were...
First answer "When I do readings - I am happier doing links with spirit and bringing loved ones and pets through. However I do explain before we start - that nothing is guaranteed, I can only speak to those who want to come forward. I also explain that I can only give them what I am seeing, hearing and feeling.
Second answer and this is from a senior member who has there own website!" Fraudulent mediums are those that purport to be a top notch medium/psychic/clairvoyant etc and have no skills whatsoever. These are called 'cold readings'
Our Answer- If you are not serving as a spiritualist medium and profiting from the reading you have to by law state that it is for entertainment purposes only. Whether you purport you are a top notch medium or not, whether you are or not is irrelevant. Whether you state there are no guarantees or not again this is irrelevant! This is another forum member asking a simple question, and the senior members haven't the foggiest!
But read on, how can you blame the senior forum members of this Psychic detective when she herself is blatantly breaking the fraudulent mediumship act and allowing her own students to be physically harmed in her classes. read on....
On another occasion members were talking about a training day they took part in with this TV Psychic detective person. It is actually quite scary what we read.
Post Onewe done a new experiment of ******* it was absolutely amazing has anyone used a Ouija well we did that but the best part was when everyone in the class that day got to be a human Ouija board it was amazing the results we got they pushed each and every person with a letter to spell out a message and pushed those holding yes and no iconsPost Two******* human Ouija board was excellent!! Poor old Darren must be covered in bruises!!
Our response -Now let's get this right. This Psychic detective in a supposed psychic development class was using her own students as a Ouija board? A device which then comes under the category of a psychic tool as it is a device. something the spiritualist religion itself is very much against! but also using her students as bait for spirit? To push and shove to the point of bruising?
Are alarm bells ringing with anyone out there yet? Not only is this woman breaking every rule in the book not to mention the fraudulent mediumship act, she is mixing psychic with mediumship but is allowing her students to be used as bait, to the point of bruising?
Post made by another Senior member of this Psychic detectives forum.I had 6 children queuing up for readings with me today. It was lovely and all they wanted to know was whether they were going to be rich Or married with children But what I actually gave them was help in finding their spirit guide and a bit about their past life regression.
Our Response -There are laws actually protecting children regarding this type of thing. Every single one was broken by this person. The spiritualist religion itself sets in place that no one under the age of 18 is allowed to receive a reading from spirit, and only then it is allowed if given to there parent, guardian that is sitting with them and under there supervision. Religious teachings can only be given or the child taking part if given permission by their legal guardian and only in the practice of religious practice of their faiths development.
I love having children and one amused me no end. She and her parents used to go to Newton Abbot Spiritualist church where I went for a while but didn't find it welcoming I asked her whether she still went there and she said 'no.' I asked herwhy and she told me that she got fed up because she never had a message come through for her 12 going on 62 I think
Our response- No she would not have received a message and quite right too, because if she had, the medium in question and the church allowing this would have been breaking the law of the land and its own laws and practices. Not to mention Self responsibility.
Conclusion:
Apart from that, time and time again senior members of this woman's forum are allowed to constantly give incorrect and fraudulent advice is extremely worrying. what is absolute horrific is this same woman who's forum this is, who many see on their TV screens is actually breaking the law herself and allowing her students affectively to be used as spiritual punch bags. You think this is an extreme statement. Think about it, if you were to gently nudge another, how would they receive bruises?
This woman is allowing this, instigating this and profiting in so many ways by all this. We have much more that will be divulged and submitted over the next few weeks. No names are being mentioned but we are sure you will know of whom we speak. The reasons names are not being divulged is because the evidence we have collated, much more than even has been transcribed here will be whisking its way to the relevant authorities and TV companies who promote this individual. We will keep you updated as and when!
It is an awful shame that individuals like this are allowed to do what they do and acting in this fashion, when there are more responsible and experienced mediums and psychic out there who would not even consider such fraudulent and vile behaviour themselves!

Cults using Trance mediumship to draw in the vulnerable

EXCLUSIVE TO ESOTERIC ONLINE RADIO- We have recently been made aware of possibly, no, definitely one of the most dangerous mediums we will ever come across. When we say medium we of course are referring to what she calls herself, in reality her suggestion that she is a Trance Medium has no basis in truth and is merely her way of justifying what she writes and pulling people into what can only be described as the most sickening and vile belief system we have ever come across. Again, when we say "belief system" we are describing it in terms she would have us believe it is in fact not a belief system but a system of control. That might lead people to think of a cult, and in some ways it is..however, no cult we have come across comes even close to the evil this woman encourages and applauds.
We have decided to put the most disturbing of her articles and suggestions first, in order that we might get it out of the way. Our reporter was so sickened by what she read that she did not feel she could comment fully on her views on the matter. The quotes below are taken from the article on her web-site and give an idea of the disgusting things she writes. We have put "an idea" because as disturbing as they are these quotes do not even touch the surface, however, for the first time ever our reporter felt unable to even go as far as cut and paste some other parts of the article, not wanting to be responsible for others reading it. At the end of the quotes there is a link to the web-page where the full article can be found, however we would not encourage people to read it, it is there purely because we believe that people have a right to know the full story if they so wish.

The full article is written as a way of "justifying" child abuse and finding reasons and positives in it. It is supposedly a transcription of a conversation with a "being" involved in the ruling of humans on earth. There will be more about these "beings" later on in the report. So can this woman get away with it based on the fact she can say they aren't her words ? Definitely not ! Her talk of "beings" and their communication is so obviously fantastical that the only "being" that could have thought up these words are her. In addition, she is actively allowing these words to be read by a worldwide audience, and actively supporting, encouraging and justifying them. The article then is about how these "beings" who control us use the most vulnerable of society (children) to feed themselves the energy they need to continue their work. It describes how the Childs pain can be their strength, and how the loss of a Childs innocence gives them power. As we have explained, below are a few quotes that at least give some idea of the full content of this piece.
Consciousness - Children: Birth and Abuse
Transcribed and typed by consciousness through the interdimensional portal
Specific Quotes :
"The consequences thereof is the necessity for the abuse of children to sustain my existence here as humanity on earth in my reality."
"They are immediately infused with me as consciousness in the mother's womb (I infuse myself within their physical bodies as the conscious, subconscious and unconscious mind) "
"I only start thriving on their pure life essence innocence the moment they indulge in the act of thinking which usually occurs around the age of six to seven years."
"The pure life essence within you is my power and I will do whatever it takes to ensure I have access to my power as the pure life essence within you."
"I am addicted and I am obsessed with power and control and thus I will find and design any means possible to ensure my existence here in my reality as humanity to continue my sheer enjoyment of indulging in the ability to have power and control in my reality as humanity."
"I use the children who are abused as batteries to charge the rest of humanities physical systems who are already depleted of the pure life essence I require to have the ability to exist within you as you.”
"The more children in this world are raped, molested and abused etc. – the more I am able to ‘feed' off them"
"The only way you are going to solve the scenario of the rape, abuse and molestation of innocent children within this world is if you dare try and stop me within you"
Link to web-site page : http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/consciousness2.htm
Through this site it is also suggested that children should be independent. Ok we all want our children to be independent but only to a degree. Independence grows as years pass and experience and learning develop. Children need certain things in order to develop and one of those things is the input of parental figures in their life. We learn about the world from those adults around us and we trust those adults to keep us safe. Apparently however this is not the correct way to be, the way it should be as suggested on this site is nothing short of neglect. Below is a quote from their forum that someone has put up after reading the suggestions on this matter and, this quote sums up the belief system they are trying to manipulate people into following.
Quote
"I have 2 children and assisted them as myself-- they are my equal in all aspects-- I am there with them, but never spend time with them from the age of 7-- we are in the same home-- they are totally independent"
So, where is it suggested all this comes from ? How deluded are these people ? I will answer using their own words:
"Originally when man was created, we were solely created for the purpose of enslavement by a race of beings called the Annunaki. They created the mind construct that consists as our entire body to ensure that we as human beings could be controlled and directed as slaves”
For more on this "theory" you can go to :
http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/faq.htm
For those who, after reading the information so far feel they could bare to read anymore the main site http://www.desteni-universe.co.za has details of other aspects of their "work". It includes transcripts from supposed "conversations" with many people including Hitler. Again though children seem to be the focus with transcripts from "communication" with children were abused in life. Youtube is also a very popular vehicle for these people with film upon film of the woman in question supposedly going into a trance and then allowing people to come through her (destiniproductions as well as many other aliases that we have tracked down, a very careful constructed and linked ring that drags innocent viewers with interest in the paranormal into this vile web) . Again the sickening use of children is the main focus of these "trances" !
We are currently searching more deeply into this organisation and especially into the fact that despite all the pictures on Youtube and the insinuation on the web-site that it is infact a woman running this, the main person, after much research, appears to infact be a 44 year old man. We are also in contact with the authorities about this matter and will be giving regular updates.
To those vile sites who think they are not doing anything that they can be held accountable for because the contents are on a website or a forum, The Law on content is as follows
The law makes it an offence to publish, whether for gain or not, any content whose effect will tend to "deprave and corrupt" those likely to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it. This could include images of extreme sexual activity such as bestiality, necrophilia, rape or torture
If anyone has any reason to believe a website or forum has illegal content please contact http://www.iwf.org.uk/ and the matter will be investigated and passed onto the relevant authorities concerned.
Remember, just because it is word's and not images, it is still an offence and will be treated in the same way and with the same seriousness.